welcome
15 May 2007
Welcome to Deep Church. We hope to bring you shortly a number of guest authors, from a variety of perspectives to kick off the conversation on Deep Church.
In the meantime if you haven’t checked out the book, ‘Remembering our future - explorations in Deep Church,’ I can recomend it to you as a great book to begin exploring with.
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Comment by simondevries
12.04 am on 16 May 2007
Hi Jason,
I have been enjoying your blog for a while now and am excited about this new one. I am from Germany, but currently in Phoenix, AZ spending a year as an intern pastor at a Lutheran church plant and realizing more and more that while we can certainly learn from the Americans and their Emerging movement you Englishmen are a little closer to home for us Germans.
I like the term deep church a lot and it makes me think about German expressions for what could be emerging these days - we have been talking about that recently on German Christian Blogs and I am already excited to come back to Germany and talk some more. Hope to meet you some day.
Blessings, Simon
Comment by Jason
7.47 am on 16 May 2007
Hi Simon, great to hear from you. Do you know Peter Aschoff, he’s a friend in Nuremberg, would be great for you to connect with him.
Comment by andrew jones
11.26 am on 16 May 2007
its an excellent book. great to see the blog here. wish you the best . . .
Comment by simondevries
3.43 pm on 16 May 2007
@ Jason: Yes, we have been mailing back and forth, reading each others blogs and will probably meet when I am back in Germany in fall.
Comment by Sandy McCann
12.47 pm on 17 May 2007
As small as your network of leaders that hang on to this line of thinking might be at this time, at least you have the potential to connect. In my dreams you would all find a way to help those regular faces in the flock hold on to their hearts and not give up when they often feel so condemned by the standard thinking leadership.
The “influence” one has on those around them in life when you walk away from church is such a non-standard model that it can’t be explained in a way those in the “shallow church” can understand. I wish it could hurt less to feel them tsk-tsking about how they perceive you as a failure in God’s eyes for not fitting in…something is really wrong with that, ya’ know.
Sandy
Comment by Courtney
3.27 pm on 17 May 2007
Hey Jason!
I just enjoyed reading your article on Deep Church…is the book available in the states at this time?
What are your thoughts about church services that are already embedded and maybe too embedded in their own traditions but are still trying to be “emerging?” How do we un-entrench them from these patterns? How do we become more deep?
Comment by Mike Pelechaty
3.39 pm on 17 May 2007
Enjoyed your comments.
To me the church in general needs transformation. Much of that has come to light with Barna’s book - REVOLUTION. Is a shallow church that religious organization which states the main secular philosophy of our in religious terms? Usually just a few steps behind culture.
Mike
Comment by ROGER PHOLO MVUMBI
7.41 pm on 17 May 2007
i ma an assistant pastor in a local church of assemblies of God in DR.CONGO ,I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU ARE IN MY COUNTRY PRESENT AND WANT TO KNOW WHERE .HOW CAN I BE INVOLVED IN YOUR CHURCH .WHAT CAN I DO FOR THE PROMOTION OF THIS?.PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
Comment by Jason Clark
6.39 am on 18 May 2007
Courtney,
The publisher is working hard to get it out in the US directly, see
http://tinyurl.com/2gd5uq
I’m chasing them today for a US release date, I was told end of May last time I asked.
That’s a great question, and would make a good post, would you be up for having that as an item from you for us to discuss?
Jase
Comment by Jason Clark
6.40 am on 18 May 2007
Mike, I’m sure inhereted churches, and new post church groups can and are both shallow at times, as much as each other.
Just as much as existing and new forms of church can be better than shallow. Thanks for dropping by.
Comment by Jason Clark
6.42 am on 18 May 2007
Sandy, sorry to hear the pain of that experience for you. May you find the Lord in your journey with that/this.
Jase
Comment by marc
9.57 am on 18 May 2007
Hi Jase
I think this a great idea, could be great space to write, explore and converse
Pax
Marc
Comment by andy amoss
10.15 am on 18 May 2007
Ooooh, this looks like it’s going to be fun! I can’t wait to see how it will unfold. Count me in!
There is a funny paradox in all of this though. The more I follow these kind of sites and other blogs of a similar nature, the more it seems to me that what we have here is church. The only thing is, that the greatest amout of time is spent discussing ‘church’. This is not something that goes on in the established/inherited church, which then causes us to point and say ‘well, that’s why they’re so detatched from the world around them’. That may be true, but if what causes us to become detatched from the world around us is our obsession with our ecclesiology, that would be more than a little ironic wouldn’t it.
Andy.
Comment by Jason
11.48 am on 18 May 2007
Andy,
There is indeed that problem we can talk about church endlessly and do very little in terms of action. It’s one the risks of this site, even though the focus is addressing the action/reflection dichotomy of church.
Our hope is to explore how deep is one of reflection and action :-)
Comment by andy amoss
12.13 pm on 18 May 2007
amen. God bless you (us?)!
Comment by Michael
3.17 pm on 18 May 2007
This is such an awesome thing you guys are doing! Thanks for letting us journey with you guys through discussion! I am excited to see where this will take all of us.
Comment by Paul
1.00 am on 19 May 2007
Thanks Michael, pleasure to have you journeying with us :)
Comment by Paul
1.10 am on 19 May 2007
it’s a good point Andy, i think the conversation has to be more than this is just another church fad, or adventures in naval gazing. As Jason says it is a risk that at times we will end up doing exactly that - but my hope is that people like you will point it out when we do with constructive critique.
My hope for deep church is that it is a long term thang that helps us engage with the world now, that helps us mature and grow as christian communities so that we can stop taking ourselves so seriously - understand something of the suffering of Christ as well as his glory as we reach out to serve the places and people around where we are gathered.
Comment by Paul
1.36 am on 19 May 2007
Thanks Marc, great to have you onboard, sharing this space with us :)
Comment by Paul
1.36 am on 19 May 2007
Hi Roger, just hang round here and participate in the conversation…
Comment by Paul
1.37 am on 19 May 2007
Thanks Andrew for stopping by. Liked your comments on the back cover of the book :)
Comment by jason Reid
9.12 am on 24 May 2007
This looks exciting guys, as a guy who grew up a high Catholic (latin mass smells and bells etc) and became a reformed loony later on , I have felt an increasing connection with my Catholic past and current friends. I look forward to what develops.
In Christ
Comment by Paul
11.15 pm on 1 Jun 2007
Thanks Jason
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