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		<title>By: Robin Parry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Parry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 13:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc

Sadly you are right although I suspect that such attitudes are becoming less frequent in this increasingly post-denominational age. My Granny would not go to any church that was not Church of England. She did not mind the others (apart from Catholics) but they did their thing and she did her thing. I have known people from different denominations (Methodist, Salvation Army, Presbyterian and House Churches) who have had similar attitudes. But I find them far less than I used to. 

To my mind someone who models a desire to explore and be true to his own tradition but to do so in a way which is open to other traditions is the British theologian John Colwell. John is a Baptist and is keen to do his theology as a Baptist. But he is heavily inspired by sacramental Christian traditions such as Catholicism (Aquinas is a favourite theologian of his). His recent book &quot;Promise and Presence&quot; is a Baptist exploration of the seven Catholic sacraments! How crazy is THAT?! His latest book &quot;The Rhythm of Doctrine&quot; is a systematic theology built around the liturgical rhythms of the Christian Year (Advent, Christmas, Epiphany, Lent, Easter, Pemtecost and All Saints Day) rather than the creeds (the normal basis for systematic theologies). Not many Baptists would think of doing THAT! Cool!

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<p>Sadly you are right although I suspect that such attitudes are becoming less frequent in this increasingly post-denominational age. My Granny would not go to any church that was not Church of England. She did not mind the others (apart from Catholics) but they did their thing and she did her thing. I have known people from different denominations (Methodist, Salvation Army, Presbyterian and House Churches) who have had similar attitudes. But I find them far less than I used to. </p>
<p>To my mind someone who models a desire to explore and be true to his own tradition but to do so in a way which is open to other traditions is the British theologian John Colwell. John is a Baptist and is keen to do his theology as a Baptist. But he is heavily inspired by sacramental Christian traditions such as Catholicism (Aquinas is a favourite theologian of his). His recent book &#8220;Promise and Presence&#8221; is a Baptist exploration of the seven Catholic sacraments! How crazy is THAT?! His latest book &#8220;The Rhythm of Doctrine&#8221; is a systematic theology built around the liturgical rhythms of the Christian Year (Advent, Christmas, Epiphany, Lent, Easter, Pemtecost and All Saints Day) rather than the creeds (the normal basis for systematic theologies). Not many Baptists would think of doing THAT! Cool!</p>
<p>Robin</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 12:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Each tradition has its own distinctives and these can be very valuable. For me the question is whether these diverse traditions are open to learn from each other and, more importantly, from the Early Church. Such openness enriches denominational versions of the faith rather than turning everything into a murky grey.&quot;

I tend to agree. The distinctiveness adds to the wider Body of Christ, and as you say enriches it. Yet I have come across prejudice and misunderstanding from most denominations to a degree and sadly this seems to prevent exploration and involvment in the wider body of Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Each tradition has its own distinctives and these can be very valuable. For me the question is whether these diverse traditions are open to learn from each other and, more importantly, from the Early Church. Such openness enriches denominational versions of the faith rather than turning everything into a murky grey.&#8221;</p>
<p>I tend to agree. The distinctiveness adds to the wider Body of Christ, and as you say enriches it. Yet I have come across prejudice and misunderstanding from most denominations to a degree and sadly this seems to prevent exploration and involvment in the wider body of Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: DanWilt.com :: Conversations On Emerging Worship</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 22:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan Wilt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Wilt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 22:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin, it was a privilege to read this article, and a joy to find such resonance with what we do here in our essential work (I only reference it to say, bravo, and on with the tribe!). From the study of the scriptures, to Lectio Divine, to Ignatian prayer, to mining the riches of both church and cultural history, and its mothers and fathers, our results tell us that deepening work is beginning to yield a fresh vision of faith in postmodernity that could literally change the world - by the power of love and Holy Spirit enlivening that love with impacting power.

I appreciate the simple approach to complex ideas you present, and it makes me want to consider the book referenced as an introduction to new students to re-thinking our approach to the scriptures, and to historical process in the Body of Christ, with open arms.

Related to worship, we are using this sentence... &quot;We exist to reinvest the energy of the contemporary worship leader with the riches of the ancient past, toward our emerging future.&quot;

Remembering The Future resonates with these ideas.

It recalls to mind a favorite Madeleine L&#039;Engel quote, &quot;I can&#039;t wait until I remember how to walk on water.&quot; Eldredge suggested a few years ago that to &quot;forget&quot; is one of the clearest evidences that the world is fallen. 

Thank you for calling us to remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin, it was a privilege to read this article, and a joy to find such resonance with what we do here in our essential work (I only reference it to say, bravo, and on with the tribe!). From the study of the scriptures, to Lectio Divine, to Ignatian prayer, to mining the riches of both church and cultural history, and its mothers and fathers, our results tell us that deepening work is beginning to yield a fresh vision of faith in postmodernity that could literally change the world &#8211; by the power of love and Holy Spirit enlivening that love with impacting power.</p>
<p>I appreciate the simple approach to complex ideas you present, and it makes me want to consider the book referenced as an introduction to new students to re-thinking our approach to the scriptures, and to historical process in the Body of Christ, with open arms.</p>
<p>Related to worship, we are using this sentence&#8230; &#8220;We exist to reinvest the energy of the contemporary worship leader with the riches of the ancient past, toward our emerging future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Remembering The Future resonates with these ideas.</p>
<p>It recalls to mind a favorite Madeleine L&#8217;Engel quote, &#8220;I can&#8217;t wait until I remember how to walk on water.&#8221; Eldredge suggested a few years ago that to &#8220;forget&#8221; is one of the clearest evidences that the world is fallen. </p>
<p>Thank you for calling us to remember.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Parry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Parry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 15:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc

Thanks - I appreciate where you are coming from. There is something deeper - more fundamental - beneath our denominational differences. &quot;Mere Christianity&quot; as C.S. Lewis called it. And yet I am also happy for people to embrace the specific version of Christianity represented by their own tradition (Anglican, Baptist or whatever). I am sure that you would agree. Each tradition has its own distinctives and these can be very valuable. For me the question is whether these diverse traditions are open to learn from each other and, more importantly, from the Early Church. Such openness enriches denominational versions of the faith rather than turning everything into a murky grey. Deep Church Baptists will not be identical with Deep Church Anglicans or Deep Church Pentecostals! It also keeps denominational traditions open to critique so that they are never made impervious to correction. 

Robin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc</p>
<p>Thanks &#8211; I appreciate where you are coming from. There is something deeper &#8211; more fundamental &#8211; beneath our denominational differences. &#8220;Mere Christianity&#8221; as C.S. Lewis called it. And yet I am also happy for people to embrace the specific version of Christianity represented by their own tradition (Anglican, Baptist or whatever). I am sure that you would agree. Each tradition has its own distinctives and these can be very valuable. For me the question is whether these diverse traditions are open to learn from each other and, more importantly, from the Early Church. Such openness enriches denominational versions of the faith rather than turning everything into a murky grey. Deep Church Baptists will not be identical with Deep Church Anglicans or Deep Church Pentecostals! It also keeps denominational traditions open to critique so that they are never made impervious to correction. </p>
<p>Robin</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 14:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DG - it is that centre ground that can be so confusing for some. People have a habit of seeing the Christian faith denominationally for instance.

I was told at a previous church that I should really make my mind up, amke a commitment to one or the other. 

I was doing evening song with my father at his Anglican church and attending an evangelical church with my girlfriend on sundays.

Needless to say I didn&#039;t choose. You see I am a Christian, I am not a Catholic or Evangelical. If the evangelical church suddenly dissapeared would I no longer be a Christian? no.

I am just a Christian, influenced by the wider body of Christ and I love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DG &#8211; it is that centre ground that can be so confusing for some. People have a habit of seeing the Christian faith denominationally for instance.</p>
<p>I was told at a previous church that I should really make my mind up, amke a commitment to one or the other. </p>
<p>I was doing evening song with my father at his Anglican church and attending an evangelical church with my girlfriend on sundays.</p>
<p>Needless to say I didn&#8217;t choose. You see I am a Christian, I am not a Catholic or Evangelical. If the evangelical church suddenly dissapeared would I no longer be a Christian? no.</p>
<p>I am just a Christian, influenced by the wider body of Christ and I love it!</p>
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		<title>By: We missed you all &#171; a conversation on church</title>
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		<dc:creator>We missed you all &#171; a conversation on church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 14:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] vows. It would&#8217;ve been nice if I didn&#8217;t CRY LIKE A LITTLE GIRL. Ah well. Ran across an good article (book promo really) talking about reading the bible &#8220;deeply&#8221;. They talk about Reading [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] vows. It would&#8217;ve been nice if I didn&#8217;t CRY LIKE A LITTLE GIRL. Ah well. Ran across an good article (book promo really) talking about reading the bible &#8220;deeply&#8221;. They talk about Reading [...]</p>
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		<title>By: D.G. Hollums</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 12:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that i just heard a pod/net cast from Wired parish of an interview with Peter Rollins (northern Ireland) author of the new book, &quot;How (not) To Speak Of God&quot;. And in the podcast he talks about being in Geneva last year at some square in the city. At one end of the square there is this great church...the church of St. Peter: a symbol of the institution, creeds, doctrine, and tradition of Christianity. But on the other side of the square was a statue of Jeremiah who was turning away from the church in shame and disgust......and when one stands in the center of the square, one must ask yourself, &quot;whom do I run too?&quot; It is in this center that we find ourselves in as pilgrims in this current age.

this is why I find myself drawn to deep church. It is wiling to not just stand in the center, but passionate about living there, growing there, and encouraging the universal church to struggle in that place.

Thanks Robin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that i just heard a pod/net cast from Wired parish of an interview with Peter Rollins (northern Ireland) author of the new book, &#8220;How (not) To Speak Of God&#8221;. And in the podcast he talks about being in Geneva last year at some square in the city. At one end of the square there is this great church&#8230;the church of St. Peter: a symbol of the institution, creeds, doctrine, and tradition of Christianity. But on the other side of the square was a statue of Jeremiah who was turning away from the church in shame and disgust&#8230;&#8230;and when one stands in the center of the square, one must ask yourself, &#8220;whom do I run too?&#8221; It is in this center that we find ourselves in as pilgrims in this current age.</p>
<p>this is why I find myself drawn to deep church. It is wiling to not just stand in the center, but passionate about living there, growing there, and encouraging the universal church to struggle in that place.</p>
<p>Thanks Robin.</p>
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		<title>By: steven hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 11:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...they could never quite &#039;train/indoctrinate&#039; me enough to stop engaging with tradition, so i went wandering into the wilderness for a while.  i love what is flourishing in digging into deep church.  lectio divina is something i picked up and held close and in balance with practicing the more academic and expository side of exploring our scriptures.  it keeps me balanced, and that is a dunamic in my life that God has indeed blessed.  as several of us have begun doing this together, i see it spreading into the local church here...and i see prayer and worship emerging...

peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;they could never quite &#8216;train/indoctrinate&#8217; me enough to stop engaging with tradition, so i went wandering into the wilderness for a while.  i love what is flourishing in digging into deep church.  lectio divina is something i picked up and held close and in balance with practicing the more academic and expository side of exploring our scriptures.  it keeps me balanced, and that is a dunamic in my life that God has indeed blessed.  as several of us have begun doing this together, i see it spreading into the local church here&#8230;and i see prayer and worship emerging&#8230;</p>
<p>peace</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 10:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always found reading the bible difficult for a couple reasons:

Understanding the meaning correctly, even one verse may need investigating and then i&#039;m into who has written what about this verse,  then how does that tie in with this passage and relate to this book of the bible.

So I tend to read books about certain aspects of the bible by Authors both old and new that have been recomended or that I trust, this of course means that I do not find myself locked into one tradition and then this of course leads me into other traditions and I feel gives me a wider experience of the body of Christ which if I am really honest I love.

Being non-denominational has its advangtages, I don&#039;t close my mind to somethging because it&#039;s catholic or anglican. It seems to me that if we are to explore deep church we must go forward with an open mind and try to put any preconcieved ideas aside.

At my home church we use many different aspects of the wider church tradition, especially within our services that fall outside sundays. Good friday, ash wednesday and I believe more and more people are connecting to God through these practices, we use liturgy, imaginative reflection, worship both sung and spoken and much more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always found reading the bible difficult for a couple reasons:</p>
<p>Understanding the meaning correctly, even one verse may need investigating and then i&#8217;m into who has written what about this verse,  then how does that tie in with this passage and relate to this book of the bible.</p>
<p>So I tend to read books about certain aspects of the bible by Authors both old and new that have been recomended or that I trust, this of course means that I do not find myself locked into one tradition and then this of course leads me into other traditions and I feel gives me a wider experience of the body of Christ which if I am really honest I love.</p>
<p>Being non-denominational has its advangtages, I don&#8217;t close my mind to somethging because it&#8217;s catholic or anglican. It seems to me that if we are to explore deep church we must go forward with an open mind and try to put any preconcieved ideas aside.</p>
<p>At my home church we use many different aspects of the wider church tradition, especially within our services that fall outside sundays. Good friday, ash wednesday and I believe more and more people are connecting to God through these practices, we use liturgy, imaginative reflection, worship both sung and spoken and much more.</p>
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