But you can’t reasonably expect me to ‘respect’ a premise that is completely insane, ridiculous and which has absolutely NO scientific data to support it.

Plus, one that I think is extremely detrimental to human progress and our very existance.

Even IF we humans DO have many things in common, which of course we do – it it simply unreasonable of YOU to expect me to have manners towards a platform that I regard as bad, negative, false, etc.

IF you can provide scientific data (verifiable in the 3rd person context thru mathematical formula and testing)…that suggests a possibility of a god/being (and not merely an subjective, anactdotal, associative ‘belief’ upon a personal epistemological based position)…then I will listen.

When I look around me and see the world, it’s suggests nothing more than that a ‘world exists’…in fact, with so much brutality & cruelty within the natural world, (especially in the animal kingdom)…it screams of non-inteligence.

I witness absolutely nothing to suggest that an advanced creature/being was behind all of this.

KEV

In the age of science we now have a set of rules that explain a great deal about our natural environment. These well tested laws enable us to make plans and reliably predict outcomes .
Surely now we can move on from the primitive unfounded, and lets admit it, unproven religious thinking and get on with it.
Religion has now become a major impediment to progress and can be abandoned.

I feel there are some that cling to their faith out of fear of what society would become if we lost our moral compass, something that they would claim is exclusively provided by a religious belief.

I would argue that an educated, mature and rational society can operate successfully without religion and possibly be better off without it.

It’s just called manners.

regards

Marc

It would be akin to saying that one has ‘insulted’ Micky Mouse or Harry Potter, also fictious creations of the human mind.

WE have no scientific data to even suggest and/or support that a god exists.
(only subjective, anecdotal, associative belief/faith)…therefore the premise for “insult” cannot be applicable.

AS there is no “positive” scienfic data present to draw from (with regard the existance of a god/being) the only position that one can take is “that a god does not exist”, we have no choice here, because only ‘positive’ data can create a premise of possibility.

Insult cannot be applied to a negative.

KEV

Throwing insults is very easy and there plenty in your post:

primitive ‘fantasy’
‘fantasy concept’
dillusional insanity
its a crime against humanity
mythical, human-made, fairytale ideology

Sadly it seems something you dont understand and dont want to understand has no value in your world which I would of thought that you ‘non-primatives’ would of moved on from.

However it seems not!

Marc

Take me for example, the atheist…
Every morning I walk my dog past the local church, a rather large building, which takes a lot of money to maintain and occupies a sizeable chunk of expensive real estate.

I literally shudder to think that humans are wasting so much time, energy and financial resources on a primitive ‘fantasy’ concept that hold aboslutely no scientific evidence or support. Therefore, as a human being I’m literally compelled to speak out against this enormous waste of our species, both in a psycho-social and material manner. Just think of all the humongous amounts of money, real-estate and whatnot that is spent worldwide purely on a ‘false’ premis. It’s staggering.

Not only that…every adult generation is openly passing down this ‘fantasy concept’ to the next generation…freely, completely without any accountability or even the slightest hint of responsibility.

Once again I say. How can I as a human being just sit quietly in the corner and simply accept this at face value?

I would like to think that our ultimate goals are of joy and peace. But, I can’t stand idily by as ‘the religious’ of this world hi-jack society with their dillusional insanity, and who then cry foul when anyone challenges their nonesensical belief systems.

To me its a crime against humanity, so your request that I try to understand it is not a viable option. Just as I would not wish to negociate nor develop a balance with Adof Hitler and his Nazi fascist monsters.

Unfortunately, our species won’t be able to move forward in such a manner – until mythical, human-made, fairytale ideology is finally recognized rfor what it is.

A primitive mindset that has no place in a developed society.

KEV

However, having already established that it is impossible to “know” anything in the absolute…simply because humans do not possess “all knowledge” by which to make a relative comparison…WE are thus forced to estrapolate that this “impossibility to know in the absolute” also applies across the entire spectrum of human experience. As subjectivity is an entegral part of the human psycholical system, it is not possible to draw a conclusion of absolute knowing.

For you, the “I don’t know” is not longer an option…not because you DO know, but because you have merely satisfied your personal epistomological “criteria” for “god” acceptance.

As a marathon runner, each Sunday I go for my weekly long run of about 24 klms (15 miles)…From my sensory experience perspective I “believe” that I DO indeed run those miles (along with all the other runs I do during the week)…However, knowing that “it could be an illusion” (created by a whole slew of possible external and internal based scenarios)…can I truly say with an 100% absolute “knowing” that I actually DO what I experience?

NO, I cannot…I can’t even “know” with absolute certainty that I even ‘exist’ in the form/state/being that I think I do.

It appears to be very difficult, for some people to accept that WE “know” nothing in the absolute…especially when it pertains to religion, god, etc.

I’m inclined to suspect, that this inability to recognize this…stems from an inner EGO driven need/desire to be self-validated, rather than sustaining the actual god “belief” itself.

KEV